Gigabit switch - Brand names or other magic cost components

Question

In many ways, this is the small gigabit switch version of my question about server RAM here. Basically, we have a few servers we want to connect through a gigabit switch (few = 4 at present, unlikely to grow at all; if it doubled I'd be truly shocked). When I was doing initial costings on the project, I found a variety of name-brand rackmount switches (such as this Cisco 48-port model) in the £200-500 range (ex-VAT). Our vendor is quoting us one for more than £2,000 (ex-VAT). They haven't given us the model number, but from what they have told us I suspect it's one of these, a "Cisco WS-C2960G-48TC-L - Catalyst 2960 48 10/100/1000, 4 T/SFP LAN Base Image" — for which their price is high, but not ridiculous.

This switch is to go into a rack that we will not grow our presence in, hooking into a network that the vendor is not in charge of (they're in charge of other networks in our deployment, but not this one, it's in a backup data centre). As far as I'm aware, there are no significant routing issues involved, the goal is simply that these four servers will talk fairly quickly to each other and the switch will have an upstream connection to the corporate net (not the internet); data that gets to the switch from the network at all need only be directed at the right server, not further clamped down, shaped, etc. I'm not even sure we need a managed switch.

I'm more a development guy than an admin guy, and I'm fairly aware of my limitations outside my area of expertise. (I definitely know a lot less about network switches than about RAM, vis-a-vis my other question.) Am I missing something? Is there a really solid justification for buying something so much larger and four times as expensive? Totally willing to believe it, but it seems worth asking the question. Naturally I'll be discussing it with the vendor, I just want to get some input from people who know more than I do first.

Edit And, of course, if you have a good experience with a particular brand or model for simple scenarios such as the above (must be rackmount), I'd love to hear them.

Answer 1

Firstly I'm a total believer that the larger Cisco switches are well worth the money IF you need them, if you don't and perhaps that's you then there's no point going for something of that cost. There's nothing wrong with the cheaper box but it will of course be missing some resilience and functions. Have you also considered HP's Procurve kit? I've not used it myself but there's a lot of people on this site that really rate it and it does come with lifetime support - might be worth a quick look.

Answer 2

What I would say is that non-brand name and the lower end of branded switches tend to not be programmable, tend not to have such high throughput/backplane capacity. In my experience they also tend not to last as long as the higher end gear and are supported less well.

Higher end "intelligent" switches are also likely to be a requirement if you ever need to do things like link aggregation, create VLANs, etc. which from what you say may not be essential here.

For all that, I wouldn't buy the more expensive switches with the fancy features and support if I didn't need these extras. While I believe strongly that using the "right kit for the job" rather than trying to "make do" with something that isn't quite up to it will pay for itself in the end, there's also something to be said for not throwing money away on fancy features you'll never use.

I'd also ask: Why Cisco? I don't want to get into brand-name wars but there are other manufacturers of mid to high end kit who in my experience sell roughly similar products for a lesser price. For something like you're doing I'd probably be looking at an entry-level HP Procurve switch. Maybe something like this. I've had very good experience with HP kit over the years.

Answer 3

As the others have already covered most of the issues, I'll just add my two cents on whether the management is a thing to have.

It's likely your setup doesn't really have much to configure, if anything. But actually you'd like to disable speed auto negotiation from the ports and force them to work at gigabit. And force full duplex on. This is stuff that usually "just works" out of the box, but every once in a while it can bite back.

It's also a good practice to monitor your networks just to make sure everything stays right, and because of this I prefer using managed switches in server environments.

Answer 4

I use a small netgear switch for my internal routing. 16 ports, gigabit, passive cooling, metal casing and dead cheap. Fat enough to handle multiple 1gbit links at full speed.

Answer 5

That seems a bit overkill for 4 servers. I've always been somewhat partial to Dell switches. Why not a 24 port, fully managed, GB switch from Dell? You can get this switch from Dell for US $769.00 (on sale).

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=bccw1k1&c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&model_id=powerconnect-5424

Answer 6

This HP Procurve would Do in your environment :
http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/Specifications.asp?ProductID=8372
£77.64 / £66.08 ex VAT

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If it has to be cisco then your vendor is definitely not understanding your topology right, as this one will be way too much for the environment you have : (4 Servers)

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/Specifications.asp?ProductID=2740
£257.45 / £219.11 ex VAT

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Another Cisco Model :
http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/Specifications.asp?ProductID=9969
£296.59 / £252.42 ex VAT

Hope that Helps we are running HP 2510G Layer-2 Managed, 24Port GigaBit switches as we had more then 10 servers with room for expansion. Even all four of them costed around £1700.

EDIT : As you only have four Servers, you can uplink this gigabit switch to your LAN Switch on its GigaBit port..

Answer 7

"Cisco Small Business" is a not so feature-rich series - looks more or less like the old Linksys-stuff...

The 2950/2960 ist quite different in features - and that makes some big difference in price...

Answer 8

Check out the Juniper EX4200 switch, affordable, good backplane, can do dual power supplies.

Answer 9

As long as the backplane is capable of ~4 Gbps aggregate traffic, I don't think it matters much what vendor you go for (if you're only looking at 4 servers, you want the aggregate to be at least as much as you expect to push across the backplane at any instant).

There's something to be said for using as small number of vendors as you can get away with, for any one class of equipment (so no more than 2-3 switch vendors, no more than 2-3 router vendors, no more than 2-3 server hardware vendors, no more than 2-3 desktop hardware vendors...), to keep management costs down.

I suspect you'd want managed switches, if nothing else from the knowledge that you can then pull usage data off your switch, so you stand a chance of going "we're running at 95% average on server X, we should consider bonding two links to it" before you go "Server X is out of capacity!".

Answer 10

Can corporate IT not provide you with the hardware you need, or at least with recommendations on which hardware to buy?

You keep referring to an upstream 'Corporate network', but it appears you have your own IT budget. It's likely they have a preferred supplier due to support contracts or discounts. They may at least be able to get you a discount from their regular supplier, for example Dell or HP. Perhaps they can provide support and monitoring on the switch, relieving you of the responsibility.

At the very least, consult with them before you buy.